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Post by Sonya on Sept 25, 2008 18:54:05 GMT -5
Like I said before while I am totally against sacrificing every thing just for some new content (when a shard wipe is totally unnceccsary you can add new content with out doing such. ) the majority will rule. I will abide by what the majority wants. I just don't understand this thinking of "Well we gotta wipe the shard to get the new stuff" it seems unneccesary. I do have a concern with the original plan of making every one a GM (if that is still on the table not sure at this point) because you will have somebody abuse this power. And for the record I am not a GM on this shard. As much as I hate to admit it if you look at the poll there is a desire to destroy the shard just to get a few new items when IT ISN'T NEEDED! Just my two cents. Well, we can add some of the new content w/o a wipe, most of those items are already in... A lot of the other content like the quests, and some of the other changes that are in the ML upgrade cannot be added w/o a wipe, at least, I don't know enough about scripting and merging to do it w/o a wipe, if it is possible to do it w/o one. I will say there are a lot of things of interest in the ML upgrade, however, I will also say that the upgrade that is released is not done up by the RunUO team, I do know that the RunUO team is still working on their ML release, and when it comes out, it will be more OSI accurate then the ML release out now. The maker of the current ML release has already said that most of the monsters and other things are not OSI accurate. Another option if we do the wipe, seeing as how the votes for it are currently highest on the poll... As Cindy said, we could give the vet players a pet of their choosing. Now I have been contemplating another thought if the wipe happens though, I saw past ideas for more player crafted resources and such, and thought perhaps if we did do the wipe, we could use it as a chance to start up the player government type again, w/the majority of the resources being player creatable rather then purchasable from NPC's. Also, we could allow players to build a GM house using Pandora's Box and make them static on the shard, if the wipe did happen, it could be done before the wipe. Those are just some options or ideas to think about... but also remember as I said before, the current ML release is NOT OSI accurate, so while it will have some of the same things, others are very different. |
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Post by Adol on Sept 25, 2008 19:07:47 GMT -5
Well if we are looking at a shard wipe when can we expect it to take place?
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Post by Sonya on Sept 25, 2008 19:11:28 GMT -5
Well if we are looking at a shard wipe when can we expect it to take place? Well, still some players that have not cast their votes, so we will be waiting until then, or we set up a shard meeting to discuss it in game w/everyone. So it's undecided still at this time, and time frame is uncertain... I do know that we won't be rushing into it... I'd like to hear every player's thoughts on it before we make any choice. |
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Post by Adol on Sept 25, 2008 19:14:19 GMT -5
Well if we are looking at a shard wipe when can we expect it to take place? Well, still some players that have not cast their votes, so we will be waiting until then, or we set up a shard meeting to discuss it in game w/everyone. So it's undecided still at this time, and time frame is uncertain... I do know that we won't be rushing into it... I'd like to hear every player's thoughts on it before we make any choice. Fair enough. I was just making sure it would be worth my time playing on the shard or just waiting until the shard wipe. Since it may be a while I guess it would still be worth logging in and playing. |
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 25, 2008 20:48:40 GMT -5
oh there is still a lot involved hun and a lot of other players still have to cast their vote as Sonya said....Believe me I would feel the same way if the shard was gonna be wiped, why bother playing...But as Sonya mentioned it would be awhile to even do this IF it was done....
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Post by Adol on Sept 25, 2008 21:45:33 GMT -5
oh there is still a lot involved hun and a lot of other players still have to cast their vote as Sonya said....Believe me I would feel the same way if the shard was gonna be wiped, why bother playing...But as Sonya mentioned it would be awhile to even do this IF it was done.... I just get the feeling I know how the vote is going to go. I can't understand how havign a quest that allows your character to be an elf is sooooooooooo important when you can just create an elf character. |
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Post by Hammerhand on Sept 26, 2008 2:32:53 GMT -5
I dont think its about turning into an elf or human, but re-discovering your heritage from one to the other. Anywho, I'm working on the problem with the thought of having the new server WITHOUT a wipe. No actual info on RunUO about how to do this, so I'm experimenting on my nights off. If it can be done, I will hopefully find a way to do it. If not, at least I tried. It was a lot of work getting the Kenaz files to mesh with an ML content server, but I did it (even tho Sonya thanked Dante for it?). She must have been talking to him/her/it about something at the time. Ah well, Dante may be staff, but I'm better looking & smarter too. *ducks*  Back to work... |
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Post by Adol on Sept 28, 2008 10:01:45 GMT -5
I dont think its about turning into an elf or human, but re-discovering your heritage from one to the other. Anywho, I'm working on the problem with the thought of having the new server WITHOUT a wipe. No actual info on RunUO about how to do this, so I'm experimenting on my nights off. If it can be done, I will hopefully find a way to do it. If not, at least I tried. It was a lot of work getting the Kenaz files to mesh with an ML content server, but I did it (even tho Sonya thanked Dante for it?). She must have been talking to him/her/it about something at the time. Ah well, Dante may be staff, but I'm better looking & smarter too. *ducks* Back to work... I don't know bro. I want to make myself clear on something. First and foremost I have been playing UO for about 3 years now. And none of my experience has been on an OSI shard because I have never agreed with the concept of having to pay a monthly fee for a game I went out and bought. But from what I have on stratics and at uo.com concerning the ML stuff leads me to believe it is worth all that is involved in putting all the ML stuff in and it being as close to OSI accurate as possible. Another thing I don't think anyone is taking into consideration is that how long will kenaz will be down if we had to do a wipe. Now if Sonya and Cindy were willing to have a sperate server that had the ML content set up like many on hre are wanting then that would be an avenue worth exploring. |
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Post by Hammerhand on Sept 28, 2008 10:32:31 GMT -5
How does this sound for a hair-brained idea? Cindy could always install the new server along side the current one, wipe it (if needed) and then staff could respawn it. Once thats done, we could all redo our accounts on the new one with the spawns all ready to go. If someone could get me the stats on the monsters I could redo them gradually to come closer to OSI if thats really wanted. I've pretty much given up on being able to transfer accounts & saves to the new server. Everything I've tried has failed and theres no indication on RunUO that it has ever been managed. From one SVN to another maybe, but not from a 2.0 RC2 to an SVN. Too many core changes and I wouldnt even know where to begin to look past where I've already been. I agree with the not putting up with the nonsense of paying to play. Who would really want to buy the game, pay to play said game AND have to deal with the slow gains and no imagination of the OSI shards? Free shards allow for freedom, imagination and so much more. ;D Which is why I cant really understand why someone would want an "OSI style" shard. I'm sure we could do one that way and I figure Sonya & Cindy would gladly take our money. The server should reflect the owners desire to meet the players wishes, without going over board. So what if the ML content isnt OSI standard? The shard isnt either. If you really want to have to divide the loot between the other 8 players it took to kill that monster because no one has any GOOD weapons, I'm sure that could be arrainged as well. Personally, I'd rather have a custom shard to play on. Not some Corporate "idea guy's" idea of what I want to play on. They dont know any of us, nor do they care. As long as they get their $$. I like the custom addons (of course I make many addons), the custom scripts (same there), the custom monsters (same) and even the custom crafting (not gonna say it again  ). So why have something thats up to OSI's standards? Or DOWN to their standards for that matter? Ok, I've said my piece. *gets off soapbox* |
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Post by Adol on Sept 28, 2008 11:27:22 GMT -5
Hammerhand I too have no idea why anyone would want an OSI style server.
I have talked to a lot of players who used to play IOSI asking what thing were like and such.
To be honest I think people that pay EA games for an account so they can play on an OSI server are wasting theri money.
The free shards are much more fun.
I just wish we could have this shard wide meeting so we can find out what direction we are going to go with this.
If there is such a demand for destroying Kenaz so badly just to add some new content (Whish is still unneccesary) then let's do it and get it over with. I have grown tired of trying to get it through people's heads that this is a LOUSY idea.
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 28, 2008 18:41:42 GMT -5
If we want a custom server....Sonya and I built 3...hehe.....all custom ....tons of time in that server...
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Post by Astraia on Sept 28, 2008 22:00:47 GMT -5
What I want, and yes I am chiming in now, is a shard that is fun, challenging, interesting and most of all not a bunch of bull every time I log on. If I wanted OSI, I would sweet talk my loving husband into paying for the time to play it. I don't. I love what Cindy and Sonya come up with. Even if sometimes it is more difficult than I can handle, it gives me something to shoot for. I know that they have a lot of creative ideas and many of them are still churning some where in the gray matter.
What I would like to see is people giving ideas for quests. Ideas for role plays that every one on the shard can participate in. Ideas for new monsters, items, and so on that our crafty scripters can flesh out for us. I want something that is unique to us, not something you can go onto just any shard out there and find.
Isn't that really what it boils down to for us all? To have something to challenge our minds, and our talents and make us work or think and then achieve? If not, then perhaps Ultima and Kenaz are not the thing for you.
Just my two coppers worth here.
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Post by Hammerhand on Sept 28, 2008 23:13:15 GMT -5
If we want a custom server....Sonya and I built 3...hehe.....all custom ....tons of time in that server... I know you want the custom. I was talking about the players. Do they want a custom shard to play on, or a boring, run-of-the-mill, OSI like shard? The reason I offered the ML content shard was simple. It has a lot more than is currently available on the RunUO servers. Not like the OSI standard as someone has already pointed out, but as I said in my previous post. Get me the stats and the monsters will be more like OSI... if they want to play an OSI version. I like custom, unique, different. I'm not just here to play, I'm also here to help this shard grow, to help it be unique. I'm working on revamping some of my old monsters & quests to see if Sonya would like to add them in as well. Quests from my devious & warped lil mind. The first quest I did was the reason I started learning scripting. I had the idea for a few years, but couldnt find anyone to script it, so I did it myself. Since then, I've done quests, event packs, monsters, weapons, armor, revamped an old craft system and created an entirely new craft system. And I aint done yet. Part of what I've seen in the posts in this thread make me wish I had never offered the ML content. Sonya, Cindy & Vanion could spawn all the monsters that are available with ML.. manually, including the teles to get to them. But there are other things as well. Quests, NPCs, a whole host of things. And all of it can be added to, but only with an ML content enabled shard. I could always work on converting the current shard to have the full ML content, but the changes would probably cause the same thing. A wipe of accounts. Because of the core & distro changes involved, it isnt something to do on a production shard, too many things are altered in the process, which is why I havent been able to transfer the accounts in the first place. I know whats its like to have to redo accounts, characters & houses and to have to regain everything you lost. I know from both gaming and real life what its like to lose everything. The choice is yours. |
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Post by jonstorm on Oct 21, 2008 12:19:38 GMT -5
please don't wipe the sever out.
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Oct 26, 2008 15:23:47 GMT -5
OK This has been a hot topic...hehe.....This is what we're going to do first before making this decision...We're giving everyone until Wed to decide what their going to do...Since we've been down for about 2 weeks I'm not sure who is coming back...So if you plan on coming back please post here....Now this is the thought here....IF we have players coming back that want this new land and we have players that aren't coming back that didn't want the new land, the switch will take place....We will revote and the vote will win this.....*by the players that are staying...* I'll post on the forum again for the voting for the players that are staying....You'll have 2 choices...For or against....The most votes wins....But I have to remind you...The lands will have to be spawned...
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). So why have something thats up to OSI's standards? Or DOWN to their standards for that matter? Ok, I've said my piece. *gets off soapbox*