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Post by Sonya on Sept 23, 2008 15:24:14 GMT -5
Ok all, here's the situation... After many tries and fails, it looks like there is no way to bring our saved files over to the ML converted shard... So we are leaving this choice to you, our players... We can either put the shard up as it is and has been with just minimal ML items and mobs... limited access to the ML areas and skills, ect... OR we can start completely over on a fresh ML shard. It should include the ML quests, items, mobs, and areas. You would have to remake your accts and chars, and we would be willing to set up a night this week for everyone to meet online and be made GM to replace all that they lost due to the wipe. The choice is up to you all... We will go w/whatever has the most votes, either play Kenaz as it has been, OR start over w/the ML server. Vote ASAP, we will be making the choice most likely by tonight or tomorrow! Thanks!![/b]
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 15:45:08 GMT -5
I think you will be running into a problem with this. Most of the people who will vote for a shard wipe will be your newer players who really won't be losing much. While your more established players will be losing verything. And while yes I know that a toal shard wipe will mean we all get to be GM to replace our lost things I think the one thing it won't replace will be the things that were worked so hard for. Such as fully trained pets and such. That is the concern I have.
I say leave things as they are. I played UO for years without the ML stuff. Who really needs it?
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Post by tygereyez on Sept 23, 2008 15:46:04 GMT -5
There is no reason , being the server owners are willing to help everyone get their items back that we do Not wipe the server ! It would benefit everyone in my opinon and as things stand, our family can barely play with all the lag issues which will mean we will have to move yet again to another server , which we do NOT wish to do. =(
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Post by tygerkat on Sept 23, 2008 15:47:18 GMT -5
Please, start over.. And I say that in hopes the server will not have so much lock-up and disconnects. If the server stays as is, I do not think I could continue playing with that much issues. You simply can not enjoy the game with lock-ups and disconnections. Just my 2 cents :-)
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Post by Astraia on Sept 23, 2008 15:48:03 GMT -5
I am with Adol on this one. Taming a pet, working it up and getting all its stats is something that takes time and dedication, not something you can just GM and replace. Limited ML is something that can and will work. I find that those who want all the ML stuff tend to be the new comers to the shard. No offense, but until a few of the newer ones came, who was asking about Cu Sidhe and such? Not the older players. We were happy as it was. We came to the shard because of what it was, not what we could force it to be changed into. Just my two coppers worth here.
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 15:48:37 GMT -5
There is no reason , being the server owners are willing to help everyone get their items back that we do Not wipe the server ! It would benefit everyone in my opinon and as things stand, our family can barely play with all the lag issues which will mean we will have to move yet again to another server , which we do NOT wish to do. =( I think the shard is going to be on Cindy's computer which means teh lag issues will be gone. We just wouldn't have the ML stuff.
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Post by Annabel on Sept 23, 2008 15:50:44 GMT -5
I been playing UO for years and when I came to this server I found it great to play , but the lagging issue is not good so if you have to wipe things and start over lets do for I do love to play and stay here and have fun.
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Post by tygereyez on Sept 23, 2008 15:55:30 GMT -5
There is no reason , being the server owners are willing to help everyone get their items back that we do Not wipe the server ! It would benefit everyone in my opinon and as things stand, our family can barely play with all the lag issues which will mean we will have to move yet again to another server , which we do NOT wish to do. =( I think the shard is going to be on Cindy's computer which means teh lag issues will be gone. We just wouldn't have the ML stuff. Sweet, as long as the lag is removed, our family will be fine, as to the remark of a of the CU dogs..... well that wasnt me or Kat BUT, its easy to say when you got things like Ancient Wyerms as pet . All the new folks , our family included are asking for is a equal opportunity to have such fine creatures =) SO dont knock a person just because they ask about a dog =) The ML access was basically jus that, a few of our family wanted "good" quality pets. Thanks for the input on "cindys computer" too, means we will be staying either way i'm sure =) It is a Great server !
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 23, 2008 16:03:59 GMT -5
OK Folks the lag should not be a issue, because Adol is correct the server will be on my computer...So even if we keep it as it is, the lag will be less....
Now for the good things about ML: New animals, new lands to roam....on a sour note, we start over....
Keeping things the way they are: We keep all the things we worked for...Now you can replace these items...now for the critters you tamed....We can set the stats back up on those animals...We would need a list of what those stats are though...on a sour note on keeping this...we don't get the new animals and lands...
Now I can do this either way and so can Sonya....I'm calling Vanion and see what he thinks too...Because in the end its up to you players....
So keep the debate going and see what you can come up....
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Post by tygerkat on Sept 23, 2008 16:10:51 GMT -5
I am with Adol on this one. Taming a pet, working it up and getting all its stats is something that takes time and dedication, not something you can just GM and replace. Limited ML is something that can and will work. I find that those who want all the ML stuff tend to be the new comers to the shard. No offense, but until a few of the newer ones came, who was asking about Cu Sidhe and such? Not the older players. We were happy as it was. We came to the shard because of what it was, not what we could force it to be changed into. Just my two coppers worth here. Well, yes we are the new players and we surely did not come to the shard to upset anyone or force anything. But I do not see how you justify what a vet player has compared to a new player. New player, basically a vet to UO itself, which we as vet players enjoy the ML and yes, we asked for the Cu Shide for pets. They are wonderful creatures and great hunters. But just so it's known, we have asked if the ML can't be put in for the dogs, we did ask that maybe the dogs could just be spawned in another area. We would be happy with that. I didn't think wanting a good hunting partner as a tamer was a bad thing. And as another side note, we first only asked if the dogs were in the game, and we were told, by Sonya, yes they are in the game but then found out that there is no excess to get to them. Again we do/did not wish to upset anyone and if we have, I am sorry to who all that is upset.
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 16:15:04 GMT -5
I am with Adol on this one. Taming a pet, working it up and getting all its stats is something that takes time and dedication, not something you can just GM and replace. Limited ML is something that can and will work. I find that those who want all the ML stuff tend to be the new comers to the shard. No offense, but until a few of the newer ones came, who was asking about Cu Sidhe and such? Not the older players. We were happy as it was. We came to the shard because of what it was, not what we could force it to be changed into. Just my two coppers worth here. Well, yes we are the new players and we surely did not come to the shard to upset anyone or force anything. But I do not see how you justify what a vet player has compared to a new player. New player, basically a vet to UO itself, which we as vet players enjoy the ML and yes, we asked for the Cu Shide for pets. They are wonderful creatures and great hunters. But just so it's known, we have asked if the ML can't be put in for the dogs, we did ask that maybe the dogs could just be spawned in another area. We would be happy with that. I didn't think wanting a good hunting partner as a tamer was a bad thing. And as another side note, we first only asked if the dogs were in the game, and we were told, by Sonya, yes they are in the game but then found out that there is no excess to get to them. Again we do/did not wish to upset anyone and if we have, I am sorry to who all that is upset. Well no one is acusing anyone of causing offense. As far as teh Cu'Shide it would be easy to have them without having all the mondains quests and stuff in . as long as teh creature is scripted in it could be put on a spawner anywhere on teh shard.
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Post by Pete/Sym/Smitty/Merantio on Sept 23, 2008 16:15:38 GMT -5
I had a hard time voting for this mainly because of the gm notion.(along with the fact that ill be losing 120 tailoring, hundreds of bods some of them one piece from completion, second generation plants and pets, literally thousands of leather, ingots and gold)
As with things like this some people always do well and others don't do as well. Its always the way it happens. Heck I would actually prefer a complete wipe with us gettin nothin. At least that way everyone would be treated equally. On the othe hand, I know that the shard cant really grow unless we go to the new content. Haven't played it, it must really be good.
I really want to believe that what I am doing is being rewarded, not being given to me from a graceful gm. And I know thats not true but can I just suspend my belief a bit. Make it so that what I am doing is important and not something that is going to be undone in a few weeks. Having said all that. I voted for the new content. Lets get it over with.
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 23, 2008 16:18:47 GMT -5
Well I'm on the phone with Sonya and we are talking about manually spawning the ml things, if anyone wants to do that....We could keep things as they are and just spawn ML things...We're not sure where things are to go though with ML.... Now Kat I think Astraia was talking about they have been on here from day one and worked hard for what they got....Worked up their animals,etc...and its natural not to want it gone...New players are very important also.....It takes all to keep this shard going... NOW lets discuss this idea.....Does anyone know where ML things go? Hunting spots, gates, etc??? IF someone knows and is willing to make a ruin book and the description we can put the things in.....and we can just keep things the way they are and just add....Now if we do this....We will not give a time limit....Sonya nor I have played ML...We don't have a clue where things go....
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Post by shadowknight on Sept 23, 2008 16:20:12 GMT -5
I like that idea just manully spawn the monsters. Please!!
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Post by tygereyez on Sept 23, 2008 16:20:50 GMT -5
I had a hard time voting for this mainly because of the gm notion.(along with the fact that ill be losing 120 tailoring, hundreds of bods some of them one piece from completion, second generation plants and pets, literally thousands of leather, ingots and gold) As with things like this some people always do well and others don't do as well. Its always the way it happens. Heck I would actually prefer a complete wipe with us gettin nothin. At least that way everyone would be treated equally. On the othe hand, I know that the shard cant really grow unless we go to the new content. Haven't played it, it must really be good. I really want to believe that what I am doing is being rewarded, not being given to me from a graceful gm. And I know thats not true but can I just suspend my belief a bit. Make it so that what I am doing is important and not something that is going to be undone in a few weeks. Having said all that. I voted for the new content. Lets get it over with. Just wanted to say Wow Pete , sounds like your losing as much as anyone can lose here and yet your still willing to do so , just for the new content and shard growth. My point ... i am impressed . Your willingness to balance out the server for new and old , has amazed me, i bow deeply to you.
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