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Post by tygereyez on Sept 23, 2008 16:23:50 GMT -5
Well I'm on the phone with Sonya and we are talking about manually spawning the ml things, if anyone wants to do that....We could keep things as they are and just spawn ML things...We're not sure where things are to go though with ML.... Now Kat I think Astraia was talking about they have been on here from day one and worked hard for what they got....Worked up their animals,etc...and its natural not to want it gone...New players are very important also.....It takes all to keep this shard going... So now the voting is out ? NOW lets discuss this idea.....Does anyone know where ML things go? Hunting spots, gates, etc??? IF someone knows and is willing to make a ruin book and the description we can put the things in.....and we can just keep things the way they are and just add....Now if we do this....We will not give a time limit....Sonya nor I have played ML...We don't have a clue where things go.... Opsy=) Question was , so now the matter is decided or are voters deciding still
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 23, 2008 16:29:05 GMT -5
Well everyone needs to understand the ones that don't want to lose their things, have been thru a lot with us...They have lost things time and time again, by updating, etc....They have been with us for 5 years....and I understand completely where their coming from....We also have the kids to think about too....You know how they get attatched to their things....and they will also lose everything they worked for....I know we'll have a lot of upset kids playing for awhile....
We are posting this so everyone can have a say....We want good debates on this...No bashing each other please....Everyone is making some good points here though....keep it going and lets see where we can get this...
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 23, 2008 16:30:15 GMT -5
Well I'm on the phone with Sonya and we are talking about manually spawning the ml things, if anyone wants to do that....We could keep things as they are and just spawn ML things...We're not sure where things are to go though with ML.... Now Kat I think Astraia was talking about they have been on here from day one and worked hard for what they got....Worked up their animals,etc...and its natural not to want it gone...New players are very important also.....It takes all to keep this shard going... So now the voting is out ? NOW lets discuss this idea.....Does anyone know where ML things go? Hunting spots, gates, etc??? IF someone knows and is willing to make a ruin book and the description we can put the things in.....and we can just keep things the way they are and just add....Now if we do this....We will not give a time limit....Sonya nor I have played ML...We don't have a clue where things go.... Opsy=) Question was , so now the matter is decided or are voters deciding still nothing is decided on yet....The players have say too about this...We want everyone to "try" and decide the good and bad on this....
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 16:31:02 GMT -5
I am sure a working solution can be reached.
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Post by Cindy*Shard Trouble Maker* on Sept 23, 2008 16:32:18 GMT -5
I agree Adol...
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Post by tygereyez on Sept 23, 2008 16:35:55 GMT -5
Well everyone needs to understand the ones that don't want to lose their things, have been thru a lot with us...They have lost things time and time again, by updating, etc....They have been with us for 5 years....and I understand completely where their coming from....We also have the kids to think about too....You know how they get attatched to their things....and they will also lose everything they worked for....I know we'll have a lot of upset kids playing for awhile.... We are posting this so everyone can have a say....We want good debates on this...No bashing each other please....Everyone is making some good points here though....keep it going and lets see where we can get this... I was just asking if the voting even mattered at this point, it dont sound like it does, i know how it is to be attached , me and Kat are like 10yr uo vets, we know what its like to have it all and lose it. So that point isnt even be debated. But if the matter isnt being based on votes, then the voting should be removed. =) Even tho, atm, change has the wins *smiles*
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 16:38:06 GMT -5
Well everyone needs to understand the ones that don't want to lose their things, have been thru a lot with us...They have lost things time and time again, by updating, etc....They have been with us for 5 years....and I understand completely where their coming from....We also have the kids to think about too....You know how they get attatched to their things....and they will also lose everything they worked for....I know we'll have a lot of upset kids playing for awhile.... We are posting this so everyone can have a say....We want good debates on this...No bashing each other please....Everyone is making some good points here though....keep it going and lets see where we can get this... Exactly sweetie. Anais and I once played on a shard where the bonehead owner would reboot the server and we would wind up having a revert everytime. And not just a day or two but usually so far back is was like a shard wipe almost. Imagine having to through replacing all your stuff you lost every other day. We finally after about 6 months said the heck with it.
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Post by shadowknight on Sept 23, 2008 16:38:56 GMT -5
Can we just spawn the spawn enstead of going through this all then alot of people are happy.
I will even find places to setup the spawns if needed.
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 16:45:33 GMT -5
I had a hard time voting for this mainly because of the gm notion.(along with the fact that ill be losing 120 tailoring, hundreds of bods some of them one piece from completion, second generation plants and pets, literally thousands of leather, ingots and gold) As with things like this some people always do well and others don't do as well. Its always the way it happens. Heck I would actually prefer a complete wipe with us gettin nothin. At least that way everyone would be treated equally. On the othe hand, I know that the shard cant really grow unless we go to the new content. Haven't played it, it must really be good. I really want to believe that what I am doing is being rewarded, not being given to me from a graceful gm. And I know thats not true but can I just suspend my belief a bit. Make it so that what I am doing is important and not something that is going to be undone in a few weeks. Having said all that. I voted for the new content. Lets get it over with. Custom scripts are new content too Pete. And you wouldn't have to have a shard wipe for them .
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Post by tygereyez on Sept 23, 2008 16:48:02 GMT -5
Can we just spawn the spawn enstead of going through this all then alot of people are happy. I will even find places to setup the spawns if needed. So you going to find npcs for all the quest ML has to offer as well, the newly added items are look so awesome? I dont think this issue is as simple as "adding a spawn" Tho i wish it was, and sadly i dont think the outcome is going to please everyone . So i leave my comments as this, With added spawns , i could accept things as they are, others tho such as pure crafters and explorer types, like the content of new quest and what they bring to the game. I feel now like there is no good answer, so i leave it to the Sonya and Cindy , based on what they wish to come of the shard to decide upon this matter. I will be patiently standing by waiting to see the end result . Thank you all and i hope to meet more on this shard as does my family and come to call you all friends. G'day.
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 16:50:00 GMT -5
Can we just spawn the spawn enstead of going through this all then alot of people are happy. I will even find places to setup the spawns if needed. So you going to find npcs for all the quest ML has to offer as well, the newly added items are look so awesome? I dont think this issue is as simple as "adding a spawn" Tho i wish it was, and sadly i dont think the outcome is going to please everyone . So i leave my comments as this, With added spawns , i could accept things as they are, others tho such as pure crafters and explorer types, like the content of new quest and what they bring to the game. I feel now like there is no good answer, so i leave it to the Sonya and Cindy , based on what they wish to come of the shard to decide upon this matter. I will be patiently standing by waiting to see the end result . Thank you all and i hope to meet more on this shard as does my family and come to call you all friends. G'day. I like to craft and explore as much as the next guy but if adding means new contnent means sacrificing everything everyone has worked so hard for is it really worth it?
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Post by Astraia on Sept 23, 2008 16:50:14 GMT -5
I think that we all have valid points. I also know that the shard owners are working very hard to make the shard all that it can be. The question we need to ask ourselves is, how can we in all honesty say exactly what all we lost? I don't know about you, but I don't have a list of things that I have, nor would I even want to attempt to make such a list. I do know that I have 3 houses that I spent time working to get the gold to build, I have pets that I worked hours to tame and train and breed so that they were the best they could be. But as for how many ingots, spell regs, leathers, and so on, that would be a guess at best.
Also, when you are given GM power, it is very easy to become greedy and go overboard and then that is upsetting to other players as well as the staff. Also, I have seen a player given GM power totally crash a shard. That is a risk that would be taken if that were the option. Then too there is the problem with arguments over "well so and so has this" and "so and so has that" all because you didn't know it was there.
I think the best option at this moment is to leave the shard as is, and incorporate ML as it can be added. I am sure that in some cases even some of the ML stuff can be made craftable which would add to the overall fun of the shard. I have played on many shards that have ML stuff as craftable and let me tell you that alone is challenging. Not only to get the skills up to be able to do it, but to find the stuff that you need to craft it with.
I know too that the shard owners want what is best for every one. Not just the old players, not just the new players, not even just the children. I have a small attachment to some things, but over all it is the time and effort that I have put into things that I regret losing the most when that happens. If I were to ask for something for this shard, it would be to bring back the player government that we had before. I think the maturity is here to make that work. But then that is another topic entirely.
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Post by tabentimslayer(Tims'LostSoul) on Sept 23, 2008 16:51:59 GMT -5
I am with Adol on this one. Taming a pet, working it up and getting all its stats is something that takes time and dedication, not something you can just GM and replace. Limited ML is something that can and will work. I find that those who want all the ML stuff tend to be the new comers to the shard. No offense, but until a few of the newer ones came, who was asking about Cu Sidhe and such? Not the older players. We were happy as it was. We came to the shard because of what it was, not what we could force it to be changed into. Just my two coppers worth here. yes i know im new to the server and i was the first person asking about the Cu Shide and asking about Heartwood City i been playing for a bit so im not new to uo its self its just i want to be able to do the QUESTS to become a DRUID or SPELLWEAVER or yes try my luck and do the quest to kill the dead horn and tame a Cu Shide i know its a good pet, its not fair to shoot me down when i ask about it, i know you would lose alot and i would be upset if i was you, but rember when more people come on they be looking for the same stuff as i was so, i was just wondering if it when i didnt see it if it was beening put in, and find out there was the Cu Shide is and found out its in a area where there no access unless you have access to Heartwood City, thats when i went to yew to enter the heartwood city and see not portal so then i started asking about that. im not hear to get people upset if i did im sorry, i was just checking the areas i know. i know some server if the cant update the info it in they moved the ncp out to a area so you can do the quests and move certain mobs out of unaccess zones so you can get to them or put in portals so you can by pass the quests part. again im sorry to upset anyone about asking about the missing ML parts what i was use too. if you deside to keep it the way it is thats ok with me . and if possable ya dont have to do it maybe move or put in portal to allow access to ya you know it, access to the Cu Shide
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Post by Adol on Sept 23, 2008 16:53:36 GMT -5
I think that we all have valid points. I also know that the shard owners are working very hard to make the shard all that it can be. The question we need to ask ourselves is, how can we in all honesty say exactly what all we lost? I don't know about you, but I don't have a list of things that I have, nor would I even want to attempt to make such a list. I do know that I have 3 houses that I spent time working to get the gold to build, I have pets that I worked hours to tame and train and breed so that they were the best they could be. But as for how many ingots, spell regs, leathers, and so on, that would be a guess at best. Also, when you are given GM power, it is very easy to become greedy and go overboard and then that is upsetting to other players as well as the staff. Also, I have seen a player given GM power totally crash a shard. That is a risk that would be taken if that were the option. Then too there is the problem with arguments over "well so and so has this" and "so and so has that" all because you didn't know it was there. I think the best option at this moment is to leave the shard as is, and incorporate ML as it can be added. I am sure that in some cases even some of the ML stuff can be made craftable which would add to the overall fun of the shard. I have played on many shards that have ML stuff as craftable and let me tell you that alone is challenging. Not only to get the skills up to be able to do it, but to find the stuff that you need to craft it with. I know too that the shard owners want what is best for every one. Not just the old players, not just the new players, not even just the children. I have a small attachment to some things, but over all it is the time and effort that I have put into things that I regret losing the most when that happens. If I were to ask for something for this shard, it would be to bring back the player government that we had before. I think the maturity is here to make that work. But then that is another topic entirely. Kudos to you sweetie. I could see the player government system working this time. We have a good starting core base of players.
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Post by Pete/Sym/Smitty/Merantio on Sept 23, 2008 17:07:20 GMT -5
I think we should go to a felucca only pvp shard. *hides*
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